E312 – Ronan Leonard – How to launch your own Mastermind program

Junaid Ahmed 0:07
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In this episode, I get to speak with Ronan Leonard, he's a specialist in creating mastermind programs. Most self employed professionals struggle to build their expertise and to sustain nimble revenue and have the impact their skills warrant. And what's really amazing about speaking with Ronan being as specialist in creating mastermind programs. I've had this thought of creating my own mastermind program, or at least have a mastermind group called about three months ago and it's just been that it thought and I've contacted a few people like, Hey, how about this? I'm trying to start this, you know, business. I'm trying to start this video production company and star try this podcast. And I'm sure there's other people that are in the same boat. So Ronan, I'm really honored to have you on the podcast, you are just the guy we need to talk to, to understand and figure out how do we get started with the mastermind program because I'm sure there's a ton of moving pieces. You know, there's a lot of collaboration involved. People have different calendars, different, you know, things going on. Well, thank you so much for coming to the podcast.

Ronan Leonard 1:57
today. Thanks for having me on board. I'm looking forward to This discussion and see is going to take us and how, how we can help other people that are that have those questions that we can answer as many as possible and, and give them some guidance.

Junaid Ahmed 2:09
Absolutely. So the first thing you know, so the reason that I hopped on to me thinking about mastermind, because I saw other people doing these mastermind programs, I was like, Wow, that's pretty cool. And that you have access to, you know, their mind and their group. But then when you see the group activity, you know, people are helping each other and building those bonds as well. And I was like, you know, I know a lot of people that are going through these struggles Well, I'm at a certain point, I've done a lot of things that I can help people, other other people with, and I'm sure other people have gone further for me or you know, they're behind so we can basically help each other out. So that was my initial thought. And before we jump into that conversation, and Get to figure out okay, how do we do this mastermind group? I just want to know your version of your journey. How did you get started? And how did you say, figure out that you're the specialist and helping creating mastermind programs?

Ronan Leonard 3:16
Well, throughout my life, I didn't really have a career. What I didn't know is what I didn't want to do. A lot of people get stuck in the job for a long, long time and go down like this. What I did in my very late teens and early 20s, I think it was around about three or four jobs in a row. I looked around specifically one or two. And I said, Look, I'm here in 10 years time, just shoot me in this. This is not the job for me. And I knew under a year so rather than just sit there and look at these people who got bitter and twisted, and I've got to leave, gotta find do something else. Yeah. So it was okay, let's quit and figure it out. And you can do that when you're, you know, mid 20s. You know, most people don't know financial responsibilities. We're looking for the future. So it wasn't it was a reasonably easy thing to do. Having said that lot of people just just kind of stay and get stuck. So I did that. And then I got a job working on cruise ships. So again, a little bit intentional. I traveled and and I met a friend of my mom's who works with Cruise Line got this job on cruise ships. And then that started this journey of traveling the world. But even in between that I joined one ship I really didn't like and the same thing happened. Some friends of mine said, Hey, we're going to go and live in India for six months, we rented this house. So two days later, I got this postcard from them saying that and I quit my job and I got a flight over to India. So so I had no career. I just knew, I don't know, do this. Let's let's figure something else out. And then when I finally finished working on cruise ships, settle down in Australia, my wife on cruise ships and again, I went back to an office job and I did it for about 18 months. And I was really unhappy. So I thought I was going to put my life savings into starting a business, I had no business plan, I'd never run a business before. I've never had any desire to run one. I just had this strong burning ambition to go, what I have been doing is not what I want to do. So let me just try and figure that out. And it's a question of getting into that. And doing that. So I started in an events business, I ran for 13 years. And then I've got into my very first mastermind and, and again, I, I looked at the process of this, do I enjoy that? This time? I actually spent six months Okay, does this fit my personality? Does it fit my long term ambition? Does it fit really what I want to do? And when I ticked all those boxes and said, Yes, it does. I can this is this is what I do. I'm hundred percent into this and I sold my other business to concentrate purely on masterminds. So that's how I got there very circuitous route around the world to find I get to where I'm much more aligned to my purpose.

Junaid Ahmed 6:04
Now, I totally love it because, you know, the one of the fastest, the most fascinating things that I got here was you worked on cruise ships. And what immediately sparked in my head was, I knew I had read an article somewhere where this lady this, you know, she, she's gonna, she's going to retire. And she's like, you know what, instead of going and living in a in a retirement home, I'm going to live on cruise ships, because it's cheaper to be on cruise ships than to be in a retirement home. I was like, Wow, that is fascinating. Now she gets to travel entire world. While she's retiring, she doesn't have to worry about, you know, being going into retirement home and worrying about if somebody is going to come see her, you know, having all those expectations. So that's really fascinating. I mean, being able to Work on cruise ships. And my wife and I have been talking about going on cruise because we bet we've never been on a cruise ship before. And I'm sure it's exciting for the seven to five to seven days that you're on there. Right? But how is that experience shaped your current? I mean, because I believe that every experience that you have, you know, has a part into making the person who you are.

Ronan Leonard 7:32
Oh, hundred percent. I teach this section from this guy called Ken Wilber which is integral business and there's, there's four quadrants to your life. There's your internal is your external part. There's the culture you're born brought up in. And then there's the government structure and all those four things make up, how you see the world, how you react to it, what you think about something so every time you've had some kind of experience in childhood or Even as you grow older, all of those things shape your beliefs. So we've all had people say, Oh, I could never work on a cruise ship. Okay, we leave that then that's true. You alternatively believe Well, one day I'm going to have this this dream job, then work towards that, then far more likely to happen, it won't always happen. But if you set that intentionality around that then it will so absolutely our beliefs shape shape us and we are so good at seeing other people's faults use them and someone says, Well, I could never do that. Again. Well, that's just a limiting belief. And then we'll say it ourselves we go that's not for me, I could never do that. So we're great at recognizing other people and easily spotting their their limiting beliefs that the negativity or or the fact that what they believe we believe to be incorrect, but we're not particularly good at spotting

Junaid Ahmed 8:52
that's absolutely true. And that's one of the reasons the song The song Man in the Mirror by my Michael Jackson makes so much sense, we are not able to see other people or our own faults because we are always outward looking. But anytime you put a mirror in front of you, well, now you can fix that problem that you have yourself. And a lot of times even looking in the mirror, you can't see what's inside of you. And that's where people will go and talk to other people about what's in their mouth, what's in their heads, and once in their minds who really are

Ronan Leonard 9:28
self awareness is one of the greatest skills you need to have a small business owner because the the huge difference between working in corporate and working for the man or whatever you want to call it, this is working for yourself, is that the prince, the Peter Principle still applies. So we've all worked in organizations where you had to that idiot get to be a manager, right? They just promote people to their level of incompetence. They've been there long enough, you know, you gotta do your time and eventually, what happens that Peter Principle is that you being promoted to a level where you just not suited. So you're great at the lower level, but you're a terrible manager, whatever that is. So then running a business, not only do you have to be really good at normally that technical skill, so a great example would be a trades person, you're great electrician, you go, I'm sick of working for this guy, I'm now going to be my own boss. So not only do you need to do all the electrical work, but you can do the invoicing, the marketing, the quoting all those other things that might not be your core competency. So when you change to running your own business, you know be far more self aware of those things that you just don't like that holding you back and say you know what, my ego is not going to get the better of me. Let me hire someone else to speak to someone else and this is where coaches and masterminds and and mentors and all those things come in, to allow you to let go the ego and you know show that merited. You say Look, you're saying this, you're not showing up in this respect. Doing this why is that is uncomfortable for you? Is it because you don't understand it, you don't do it. All of those things. That's where the, the really great businessmen and entrepreneurs come in because they know that they can't figure it all out themselves so they get the help that they need.

Junaid Ahmed 11:18
Nice. Really, really cool, seriously the right self awareness and I think that's one of the things that we've heard. What's his name? Gary Vaynerchuk. Talk about self awareness. know who you are yourself before you go out and figure out

all right.

That's awesome. I love it. Alright, so on to the topic of mastermind programs. So you started your business and you said, Okay, I can help and that that came through because you attended mastermind program yourself. You're like wow this is really something that you could help other people see. So walk us a little bit on what it takes or or what it does.

Ronan Leonard 12:19
Sure, the backstory for that when I say when I spend that six months thinking about it is I told you about on cruise ships what I didn't say was one of the very first cruise ships I worked on some off the coast of South Africa a huge storm so all the at the time I worked in the gift shop on the lowest paid people on the ship and all this senior officers and crew abandon their fate and didn't follow the procedures. So without sort of having any of the training I helped me and some other the staff put on the laser wasn't the crew wasn't the chief engineer and staff captain and chief right offset they abandon their positions as myself and the cruise director and and the magician The bandleader helped helped people into lifeboats and then into helicopters goes off. So, I know I've got this natural affinity to help people I like actually genuinely like doing that. So that tied into my intrinsic values and what I like to do. So that was the final, you know, green light for Yes, I'd like to be a mastermind. So the concept around mastermind was coined by Napoleon Hill, which is book, Think and Grow Rich, which is 90 years old and still read today. Yeah, so he was sponsored by Andrew Carnegie, one of the biggest, wealthiest billionaires at the time, the equivalent of Bill Gates or one of those guys and he also noticed that all of the all of those people at the same time were in a mastermind so Henry Ford,

the,

the other JD Rockefeller, the oil magnate, and the Wall Street guy, JP Morgan. Most of them are in a mastermind. Yeah. So he coined the phrase is when two or more minds come together, they create this better mind. supermind almost a mastermind. Yeah. And it's just this idea that when you come together, you've got an idea. And you ask something and someone says, Oh no, what about this and you build on that. When you look at business today, all we are doing is really standing on the shoulders of giants. Yeah, taking an idea and we're adding a bit more to it. There are very, very few new ideas, they're just derivatives and an improvement on on what we do faster car, new internet, new features on something so so we're all sort of building on other people's ideas for for the whole part, including the framework of what we operate in. So the idea of a mastermind group is to come together with other people and and and utilize their their knowledge, their expertise, their experience their beliefs. Anything that's happened in experiences in their lives that that shaped them, and give them that hundred percent unique perspective on things. Yeah. But also, it's incredibly isolating running a small business. If you are just a one man band, everything is in your own head, all your thoughts or beliefs all kind of stuck there. Yeah. And it can be festival very isolated, very lonely. And secondly, it can be exhausting trying to figure it all out yourself. And this day and age, we've, we've kind of shifted in the last 20 years from information being quite scarce. So you know, it's pay for information. Yeah. to now be the commodities it's everywhere. Yeah. So information has been commoditized. And it's not particularly valuable. But so what content isn't valuable, but context is, you've said yourself, you know, you're trying to figure out your own path. On account. Imagine how many blogs, you've read how many podcasts, you've listened to, how many Other things you read, and all those things going up all this information. But how does that apply to me? Yeah, so the ability to to work with other people in this tight knit community, also known as masterminds to go, I am working on this, what do you think? And someone said, either, that'd be great. You could do this, this and this is perfect. Or I try that didn't work. Have you thought about this? I know, I didn't know that. That's brilliant. So you, you help each other and support each other. And you add the one key thing that's missing, which is accountability. So you start your own business and you go by the end of the year, I'm going to start a podcast, for example. Yeah. And then the group holds you to that or what progress will be made this week. I are stuck on this. And basically, they call out your Bs, and they call out your procrastination. And they just really sort of support you and it comes back into page. So that's the the core essence of of opportunity. mastermind group.

Junaid Ahmed 17:02
Nice. No, I totally, totally agree. Having somebody accountable and we are as small business owners or as entrepreneurs. I think those are two interchangeable terms, but being a one man band is definitely much harder to get to the next level or to even be able to scale. So now, that's exactly the thought that I had when I was like, you know, what if we had because I need help with copy, I need help with, you know, design or coming up with ideas or or figuring out in marketing strategy or figuring out Okay, yeah, how can I find get more guests or how can I be a guest on other podcasts? So running that through other people that are in the same boat or, you know, I was like, that's definitely going to help me get to that next level and the advent of Facebook groups. And what's funny is that Yahoo groups back in the days were so prolific you could you can ask about anything. And then even there's tons of communities like Reddit communities and forums around different topics that are ongoing and it's the same concept of that group conversation and helping each other out figuring out the solution to the problem that you're facing.

Ronan Leonard 18:32
What I would say there is most of those groups at today information and so text is to D you miss you miss the back and forth of immediacy, like we're having this conversation. Now. You could say something or respond instantly. Yeah, you also then get to ask follow up questions, all those things. on a on a thread. It's it's a lot harder to disseminate that information, because these people don't really know you. So they're given advice and I've seen this a lot. Were they giving advice from their own bias and beliefs and sometimes from their own or ulterior motives? So a few years ago, a friend of mine went to start a business. So she posted this big Facebook group, you know, what, what website should I use? Several came in with their own perspective of, basically, that's the that's the code and the language they build into, of course, they're going to say, that's the best one. Yeah, really even ask her business. So they didn't know enough about her to give her a truly independent answer. They just from their perspective, they said, Oh, you should build in WordPress. And by the way, I build WordPress websites.

Junaid Ahmed 19:40
I can help you do that.

Ronan Leonard 19:41
Yeah, I can help you do that. So, you know, they never even asked about a business, you know, what's, what's the size of a business, you know? And is it going to be commerce to you and blah, blah, blah, none of them. They just went, hey, I can do that. You should build in this, this thing. So. So the downside of those groups is that they don't truly Now you and there's no follow up. So they don't care whether you took their advice or not. And as I said, you're you're just lacking that, that human sort of connection of going deeper and really opening up and, and getting that support. So they're good to a point that they can't replace the true power of, of these people that know like and trust you that really have your back to support you support each other. And I see the same thing on so my preferred social media platform is LinkedIn. And LinkedIn is, if you're in b2b, it is the platform to be on. Yeah, you can talk to CEOs you can talk to, and I say Tim Ferriss, but I've had conversations on there with Joe polish. Dan Kennedy, Jamie masters, one of the biggest entrepreneurs in the world. Yeah, they're on LinkedIn, having this conversation with them partly because they come to LinkedIn late. And secondly, you've, you've got to build up that engagement. So I want to start liking their posts and commenting. I've been taking a lot of those discussions sort of offline and built up, partnerships, all those kinds of things. So all of that happens, the platform is just the first part to it. They don't, they don't you don't really build trust from text back and forth. It's only when you speak to people, that you really kind of build that that that real personal connection, that layer of this person is in my tribe, this person is in my network. I know this person there. And therefore, that that is part of my, my network. I mean feature we can potentially do business we can refer somebody to somebody else, and we can really sort of build that connection.

Junaid Ahmed 21:58
Nice. Hello, it That's really cool. Um, yeah, I, like I mentioned, I'm absolutely down to create a mastermind group and bring my people in. But again, so what are some of the because there's logistics also, right? You got to figure out, okay, when is everybody going to talk on the phone, or if it's a in person, one, we got to make sure everybody's calendars are in sync. So then we can figure out okay, every Thursday at 10am, we can meet for an hour, two hours, and talk about all the problems and figure out what what we're doing next is almost like an agile software development environment. on a day to day, every day in the morning, you haven't your Scrum meeting, figuring Okay, where's the team going? What's what problems is somebody facing can? How can the technical manager help with facilitating of communicating with other teams and whatnot. So how does that part work and What systems in place to have recommendation for?

Ronan Leonard 23:05
Well, whoever is the mastermind organized, they pretty much set the the agenda, the rules and what they expect. So what happens is that you kind of get what you tolerate. If you go on as we managed to turn out a preview don't say the style if you don't turn up the next you know, two meetings in a row without a legitimate reason, holiday kick it out. So you set your own community agenda and expectations and then people know from the staff This is it. Not really interested in the money you make it a small amount to run these groups say look, it's I'm going to charge an extra nothing you're paying for the community and then the value. Yeah, I don't I'm not really that bothered about the money. That's just to give you some tiny bit of skin in the game. more interested in the people that that really a January committed, like helping other people want to get plenty Out of this love supporting other people? And if that's a good fit for you Come and join. If not, that's not a problem. So I'm interested in Jay, what? Why do you think you're unable to get your mastermind up and running?

Junaid Ahmed 24:15
Like you said, you know, we are we're all we're all doing what we love to do, right? And once we quit our jobs, and now figure out Oh, I have to do all the accounting, I have to do all of this. And now all of that and you're like, all right, well, I don't I do really didn't really sign up for that, or I didn't really know that was going to do so. It also probably the amount of time that I have on a daily basis to dedicate my mind, you know, I'm trying to figure out Can you need this out first, I need this out. Second, this out third. Figuring out the marketing. I'm running like four different things at the same time. So maybe that's my problem. So it all came down to okay. I've got isolate, or I gotta lock my days down. On Monday, I'm doing all the mastermind activity on Tuesday, I'm doing all of the activity for my web development company. And then on, on Thursday, I'm recording all the podcast. On Wednesdays, I'm going out and shooting video. So I'm trying to get to that point where I have everything locked down for days. And with that structure in place, build a strategy to see okay, how can we move to the next step? And that's what those are some of the things that I've been struggling with to get to that point and to even even able to create the mastermind group or get started.

Right, okay.

Ronan Leonard 25:51
What I've what I've found and in my experience, is that the the mastermind group is some people think Don't understand the value proposition. So, when you're looking to solve problems, what most people do is, you know, just like me.

People are struggling to

do this. Yeah. Sometimes you use the, you know, if you're feeling isolated, frustrated and productive, come join this group, and we will help you figure out what you need to do for the next six months. So, so make it quite tangible in the results and inevitable promise around what they're going to get. Yeah, and then that way people self select right. Oh, yeah, that's perfect for me. That's what so potentially might have been particularly clear in your, in your expectations of what they're going to get out of it. Which is the first thing because we all do that. Right. What's in it for me? Every single time. This? This is human nature. What's in it for me? Yeah, it's supported. I get this. I get my goals done. I'm gonna get the Pick up the baton at whatever you decided that framework build that and give a fairly strong value proposition. It was talking about benefits not features terrible in software blogger but this feature this feature you have all the benefit, yeah gonna say two hours a week or you can you can have someone that's going to hold you accountable that you your goals will get met, however you want to structure that and then obviously is going to invite a lot of people because some people won't be a good fit some people can't make that time. So lock down the time for you know, 90 minutes every two weeks and and then just sort of go out there and and intentionally created.

Junaid Ahmed 27:40
Yeah, no, no Absolutely. And and that's something I need to get a move on. So some of the things that that are keeping back and keeping me up at night. Well I try to keep up stay up at night but doesn't work too much because I've got a little baby to put to sleep And then so tired during the day, you know, I'm still having that time and be the ability to strategize and clear my mind and actually do the work that needs to be done to get that to the next level. Yeah and and what I have done, you know, I've brought on some people to help me with other things that that are repeatable, like, for example, maintaining your website content or editing podcast episodes or editing web pages and and or articles and copywriting and stuff like that. So those things I understand, okay, some things I can do on my own. Other things I need help with because it's repeatable. I can tell tell kind of thing that they can help me to. Almost like an you know, and a virtual assistant or an executive assistant thing is still next level. Having a An executive assistant. That's where I haven't got to yet.

Ronan Leonard 29:07
Yeah, well, I'd strongly suggest, you know, for a mastermind, do you just lock it into your diary and it's just it just becomes like everything else what you do. Just over a year ago, I, I found this strategy of thinking time. We're all guilty of this and myself more than myself is that you're on this hamster wheel and you're busy doing stuff? Yeah. What I realized is that thinking time, allows you to really go deeper on the problem. Because the faster we process things, we just take on us the first thing that pops back into our head. So for example, you go well, I need more website traffic. First thing you think of as well, I need to write more articles. And then you sit down and say, Okay, well, how do I get more traffic to my site, and you list kind of all of the ways and it is spend half an hour an hour just on that problem. Potentially come up with all the things that you've heard of the last couple of years other ideas that the strategies and eventually you'll find that that list is far better than if you just went I need more website traffic What do I do my blogs so you go Okay, well, what if I guess post What if I did some something else, too and you just list out as many as you can and you keep going and you keep on thinking just on that one problem. Yeah, to the go. Actually, I've got four or five solutions here. The first one I thought after that if I didn't have the time I went okay, let's just write more articles. isn't the best one. I found two other better ideas. Yeah. So scheduling scheduling those the thinking time for me works really well. And the same for for mastermind, if you're gonna, if you're going to commit to that you just schedule it in once a fortnight. Thursday morning for the next hour and a half. This is what this is what I do every every other Thursday.

Junaid Ahmed 31:00
Yeah, that's a good point. I do need to set up a thinking time. So then I can focus on just thinking and not doing because I think what what I've been doing this past summer, in this past week is just doing doing doing, you know, go bill. And you know, I spent two weeks building a place that for my kids, another two weeks I just spent on the yard because there's so many leaves. So I didn't have the right tools to get the job done. And I think I'm there a point where I have the right tools. I just go out there, spend one hour on the yard and it's looking great and I can come back inside and to the work and continue to do work. The other thing that's enabled me to do, because I'm working with my hands, my mind is free to think so there's been a lot of thoughts going in my head. Coming through, and I'm like, all right, I could do this. I can do this. I could do this. But again being out there, I'm not able to write it down. So yeah, lots of lots of things happen. But you've got some really good points. I need to have a thinking time spot in my. In my cat, yeah,

Ronan Leonard 32:18
honey, honey read about that a year ago. So I've been there for the last year. And I'm going to be totally honest. I haven't got it all figured out this. Yes. I don't know. So I've been working with two different mentors in the last 12 months. Yeah. Because again, even the successful people have got their own bigger problems. How do I scale the next level to the next level? And let's be honest, nobody's got it all figured out. what frustrates me a lot is that everyone thinks that Gary Vee and Grant Cardone and Tony Robbins have all the answers.

Junaid Ahmed 32:55
First of all, they're

Ronan Leonard 32:58
they're really

These following these gurus doesn't kind of get you anywhere from those now. It's the people that are one step ahead of you two steps ahead of you, for the most part, they've just recently done what you want to do connect with them, try and hang on to their coattails. They're far more likely to have the bandwidth and the time to join the mastermind

Junaid Ahmed 33:23
Glee,

Ronan Leonard 33:24
they they still in touch with where you were 12 months ago or two years ago. So they still got the empathy and you know they let's be honest, they're not trying to build this this massive Empire which which requires to have thousands of people come through their funnel and through their systems. Yeah, which is to me is incredibly impersonal. So I encourage anybody listen to this that sure they've got great advice, but they'd be terrible in a mastermind few starting out because they that the concepts are so highly Yeah, they're building empires, and they're building really just just revenue not necessarily touching people. So, yeah, yeah, my advice is always to find people just, you know, one step ahead of you two steps every two years ahead of you. If you want them to come to a mastermind and support them as much as they can, and you'll learn from them, because, as I said, they've just recently done that.

Junaid Ahmed 34:27
That's really awesome. Thank you, man, that that makes a lot of sense to me. And it's totally legit because people, I mean, they're able to so Tony Robbins, Pat Flynn, Gary Vee, they're able to share that information to have a huge team. And I think a lot of times Gary Vee says, do what I'm doing that what I'm saying. It's really interesting like like how he said, you know, Again, you got to have that bandwidth to be able to do what he's doing. And, but a lot of times, we got to figure out, okay, what's the first what's the next step? What's the next step? And then I can, connecting with people who just got there a year ago or had been there for a year or two years are going to be more fresh. So really, really awesome. points. Thank you so much. This has been very learning very awesome conversation. Thank you so much. I do have a few questions for you. Awesome. What is one hobby that you wish you got into?

Ronan Leonard 35:46
Well, I wish I had got it. I wish I'd stayed in table tennis. I play table tennis when I was a kid. And then I stopped for a long, long time and I've recently started up in the last two years. I think what happens is As we get out of our 20s, we, we stopped doing the things that we loved as a kid. And we lose some of that. Joy and playfulness. So me as my hobby should have been continued to play table tennis.

Junaid Ahmed 36:15
Nice like it. Next question, what is your favorite movie or TV show?

Ronan Leonard 36:23
My favorite movie, it's more the character than that the movie, The Matrix. I just love the thought of me out of it. You could be you could lock into, you know, the matrix and and figure it all out. That would be an interesting coach A few years ago, asked me the same question. Who's your favorite movie character? Yeah. And the reason he asked it is that often is reflection of who you want to be where you see itself. So that's a good question you've asked.

Junaid Ahmed 36:56
Nice Well, the next question you get and like even more What movie would you choose? Would you choose if you got to play a character in it?

Ronan Leonard 37:06
Let's play a character in it.

My favorite movie of all time is is a very difficult British one called Withnail and I said is these two out of work actors that go on holiday in England because they've got money and and they drink a lot and and the one guy is is incredibly sarcastic and really really self centered. I just found that the movie incredibly credibly funny. So I play that character, although I would hate myself and everyone would hate me. I play

just because I love the show.

Junaid Ahmed 37:45
Yeah, nice. Nice. So the question came to me when I watched a movie, or when I read the book, Ready Player One, and it to solve the puzzle, you have to play the character Matthew Broderick and wargames. And that's the puzzle. That's the game that you have to play. You got to know then all the lines that Matthew Broderick says to pass that puzzle and then get that key. I don't know if you've seen that movie, but they did similar thing. In the movie, they actually picked the shining instead of war games at the movie to depict and be a character. That's really cool. Okay. All right, who is your favorite superhero? like Superman. Nice. Love it. If you were a board game, what would it be? I think I would be Connect for Connect for it's not a board game. Sorry.

Ronan Leonard 38:57
Then I'm going to say cleared out which is why the first thing came to my head.

Junaid Ahmed 39:01
Pluto is that Ludo

Ronan Leonard 39:03
now it's clewd Oh, it's a it's a mystery gang. It's okay. Yeah, okay, so figure out who made it

Junaid Ahmed 39:12
is known as clue. Okay, so it's just it's called an automatic All right. It's a murder mystery game for three to six players. Nice and fantastic. So Rowan where can my audience find you?

Ronan Leonard 39:29
Well I can definitely find me on LinkedIn on Berman Leonard and my website if they want to check that out is e countability.io.

Junaid Ahmed 39:40
Perfect. So we can find Ronan as Ronan Leonard them mastermind guy because there's a lot of listeners on on LinkedIn as well. Run it is was really awesome talking to you. Thank you for the insights on master Mind groups and your story in your journey. I really love the fact that you got to work on a cruise ship that was pretty exciting. But overall, you know, you've got, you've got some really awesome story and really good, actionable Intel that we can all take back and build our mastermind groups. Thank you so much for

Ronan Leonard 40:26
my pleasure. Thanks for having me on the show. Have a good day.

Junaid Ahmed 40:33
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