E313 – Jonaed Iqbal – How to get a job even if you don’t have a degree.

Junaid Ahmed 0:10
Thank you for tuning into hacks and hobbies with your host Junaid. In Season Two of hacks and hobbies were visited by our amazing guests coming from all walks of life want to learn their story, their struggles and their journey on how they got to where they are today. So stick around

In this episode, I get to speak with Jonaed Iqbal, he's a founder of nodegree.com, and nodegree podcast. He is a career strategist and helps folks like you and me with build better resumes and come up with better, better interviews. Speaker and he is one. He is the originator of the LinkedInsomnia live show on LinkedIn. And he caught my attention through one of his slides. And I was like, dude, a man, after my own name, I need to connect with this dude and get in touch and see what he's doing because it was just so exciting to see somebody with my own name. And like going out there and making changes making waves and making the world a better place. And I connected with him and I'm honored to bring him on to the episode. Thanks so much Jonaed to come on to the podcast and be a guest.

Jonaed Iqbal 1:45
I'm super excited for this. And I remember when you messaged me, he's like, Hey, what do I gotta do? I was like, You got the same name as me so the answers is Yes.

Junaid Ahmed 1:54
Yeah, dude. So that was a really cool story. I mean, we were going back and forth on on messaging there. And then we finally got on the call and we just connected on a totally different level because I think the mindset comes from absorbing content and absorbing, you know, motivation from other people. And I think we both had similar upbringings and being in the states and being in that role. So it was really cool that we connected on that same level of really, I think I just keep repeating myself. Why keep repeating So, alright, so tonight tell tell us a story about about your journey, like how did you get started in this area? from you know, from your experience, you've done a lot of cool things. And you know, you've been a speaker and you've been a president of the Toastmasters. I mean, lots of cool, awesome things you've done over the years. So how did you get started? What's What brought you here?

Jonaed Iqbal 2:59
So Let me so the no degree calm I, you know, I was doing a lot of research, and it was a Reddit thread that was the tipping point where someone asked for those of you without a college degree who make over six figures what do you do and how'd you get the job? And these are jobs you don't think about? Hey, like, I'm repair elevators, hey, I operate a crane, hey, I do this random thing for a hospital. I'm a claims adjuster. And I was like, how'd you get the job? My friend, my uncle, my cousin, and I was like, why can't I be the friend uncle? Unfortunately, no degree calm. I put in. I put in my email. I didn't expect much. Only a few days later, they came back with the price of 1800 bucks. And I was like, Oh, and I was in college. Yeah. So I had like 600 whatever. So I think I called to my buddy. I call like three four of my buddies and then one didn't answer other one wasn't as interested. Two of them were, were like, ready. And then we're like I was by and then my other one of my buddies was like, Look, we can actually get lower their domain reseller, let's negotiate. We gotta fight 1433 to you. And, you know, at first it was just a bunch of guys in the basement. And over time, we just grew it figured out what we're going to do. And I think especially in the last three years, we've made a lot of progress. last three, four years, in the last two years, we've really figured everything out. And then this like the last seven months, it's just been tremendous growth. I've really refined my positioning, I've really understood a lot of things I have like a, you know, just all been execution.

Junaid Ahmed 4:34
Absolutely. Yeah. Like you said, you know, took you three years to really grow it or really understand the inner workings of how, how does an engine work is that's your research and development phase. Yeah. And now you've got the refined product that everybody can use and everybody can benefit from. So that's really cool. And that's what I've been discovering about myself and my journey. Like, okay, gotta get out there more often than not, yeah. And to at least fail. Because if you don't fail, like they say, you know, if you don't have 300 bad stories or 300 bad articles or 100 articles, you're not going to have a good article because you didn't get time.

Jonaed Iqbal 5:23
So you know, that goes back to I'm going to share a public speaking fail. Yeah. So that's why I got into public speaking. That's why I got into Toastmasters when someone came in, presented Toastmasters. Like coincidentally, within the next week. I was like, Yes, I got to do it. So we had a project, and it was you had to either do a recording of yourself or whatever. So I had this idea. I was like, Oh, I'm going to use my friends TV. And I'm going to be in front of it. That's gonna be my PowerPoint on and record it, and just had to be five minutes long. Yeah. Now, of course, I'm with student and I do I started like, 10 him and I told my friends on the yo just helped me out you know, you guys do the recording and help me and I was like, only be like 30 minutes an hour do I messed up so much and I was reading off a script like I just kept on saying the wrong thing. And you know, this was no edit. So if we had video editing, we would have chapter, but,

Junaid Ahmed 6:20
dude, it took me

Jonaed Iqbal 6:22
like eight hours. It was like from 10 8:10pm I finished at like 5pm and then it took like an hour to like render the video and upload it. Dude, they still laugh about it to this day. They're like, yo, remember you said 20 minutes. You know, good friends, but it was just funny. Like, yeah, like you. What is that? And then from there, I was like, Look, I need to work on this. I wasn't too shy, but I wasn't as refined in my public speaking. And then Toastmasters came along and we started. I was the first president of the club. Now look, I ran unopposed. I'm not going to be like I ran against 10 people I ran. Yeah. And yeah, it just I use that to sort of grow because we were a growing club. And the fact is students don't care about public speaking. So it was hard in the beginning to grow. And now it's the second largest club in North America. But like, three years, if I like, didn't show up, the club would have died. Because there were times I did like four or five roles in a meeting. I gave speeches, because all the speakers dropped and we needed a speaker. Yeah, I just gave a speech that I had somewhat figured out, but I wasn't. I wasn't like, ready, ready, but sometimes you just have to be ready, right? And you just set the show up.

Junaid Ahmed 7:38
Exactly. Now, that's really cool. That's, that's really inspiring. And you know, like you said, you know, it takes takes 10 hours to figure out your first speech. Yeah, that's, that's very accurate, because yesterday, I was teaching this class on video editing and video production. And somebody was like, you know, I just don't know what to say. In the video, and the whole topic is around, you know, you've gotta you gotta figure out what your story is, before you even start talking. Yeah, gotta have the script down, and then practice, you know, 1015 times. So that's memorize. So then you can put your own authentic self in it when you're telling the story. And as I'm talking to other people after the thing, they're like, dude, it seems it seems like you've got it figured out. Like, just seems like it. I don't have it figured out because I'm still figuring it out. Yeah, I'm a little further ahead. You know, I'm on the I'm on the third exit from kiddo and down the freeway, like you like, you know, 10 minutes ahead of me. So you've got that part figured out? Like, yeah, but I'm still not at my destination.

Jonaed Iqbal 8:44
Yeah. And what you said is so accurate because a lot of people I have to LinkedIn live show. And a lot of people say, Oh, you're such a natural on camera and stuff. And then or you're so natural. I'm in conversation. And I say, Yeah, because I've been in the Toastmasters of writing. years. So, you know, I've been actively talking to people, when I have conversations, I really try to break it down. So yeah, that's when I got the opportunity to start the live show. That's why I'm a natural. If you did it to me five years ago, it would not be the same. It's just like out or even 10 years ago, even a few years ago, so a lot of times in order for someone to be natural, it's not natural. Yeah, it's a practice and all that stuff, right?

Junaid Ahmed 9:25
Absolutely. Because, like, even for me, when my first interview, I remember we did a video taping of it and it felt so weird because we didn't have a cameraman and it was like, Oh, it's is it rolling? And then like, Okay, how do I get this thing started? I don't have my notes. I don't have anything. You just started talking. And then after doing over 100 interviews, I kind of got the rhythm of it and like, Okay, this is how you start a conversation. That's how you ended and of course, I had some Toastmasters training. I never finished the whole thing. I was like, okay, You know, did icebreakers and whatnot. And I think, since then they've changed how their mind works too. Right? Yeah,

Jonaed Iqbal 10:07
they have different paths and stuff. But I mean, ultimately still similar like, yeah, so overall, they had a lot of flexibility in things right, because you weren't limited by topic. So yeah, they changed things. But essentially, it's the same. Same thing. But yeah, the the key and in all of it is you got to be doing it.

Junaid Ahmed 10:27
Yeah. Gotta keep doing it. Yeah.

Jonaed Iqbal 10:31
Yeah, it's one of those things like, you can't just sit back and watch other people speak. Yeah. Right. It's like in the beginning, you can observe and learn but at some point you have to do you have to get over there's no replacement for that.

Junaid Ahmed 10:44
Yeah. And one thing that I always think about Hey, the reason why every single human being on earth walks is because didn't give up. Yeah, otherwise everybody be crawling like, you know,

yeah, you I'm

going to tell you child, dude, you tried walking, it's not working for you just crawl. Yeah. It's like it takes time. It takes time for anything, anything. Exactly. So even to start your own business, you know, it definitely helps when you have help. You have people around you, they can like, hey, you're doing this wrong. Let's change this up, you know, when you have mentors when you have coaches, and I think it's really important to have those people in your life, or be part of a mastermind group or be part of something or some community, that some people you know, a little bit ahead of you so you can watch them and mimic and do what they're doing and refine your own story. I think what we're looking for is a blueprint, blueprint or instruction set. Yeah, I think. Yeah, go ahead. No, so

Jonaed Iqbal 11:53
yeah, I think, you know, that's why a lot of people like want a blueprint. Yeah. But the fact is, it's like you what you really Need is like a general pride. Yes. And then I think it's you don't I'll compare it to like a house right to build a house you need like a finished blueprint, you need all the details you need all the dimensions you just know everything be the fact is for life, you it's not like that because the thing is, it's like you're building a house, but I want to change this, I want to change that, or I learned this is better. But you know, for houses, you can't do that. You gotta have that. Yeah. So I tell people it's like to have a general guide, but you got to adapt it to your own self because you see these articles online that do extremely well. It's like all five secrets to this and five tips to increase your business. But it's like, those don't really work. Right and or they may not work for them enough for you because you and then that's really good point because I look at those things. I'm like, Oh, these five points are really great. And I can drive the traffic. But what am i driving the traffic to do I have a website to show

Junaid Ahmed 13:00
I don't have that piece at about 555 and final or if I don't have a place that they can get value immediately from it, then sure you're driving traffic to a dead end. Yeah. And like you said, you said earlier about having a blueprint or you know, house blueprint. I'd look at it as a Lego problem. Yeah. Have you have 1000 pieces of Lego? And you asked to build something. If you don't have the instructions, it's going to be really hard. Yeah. But as soon as you have the instructions, you can build a crazy looking Porsche car. Right? Or you can build, you know, excavated, you could build anything if you have the right instructions. Like it took me about 20 hours to build the place for my kids. Yeah, and it's got the two slides got a total side. It's got the swings, but I looked at my time like 20 hours I'm done with this show. There's heavy pieces, but I wouldn't have wouldn't have haven't been able to do it if I did not have the instructions. Yeah, I didn't have the labeled screws. Like every screw isn't a little small bag. You just said, Okay, this is SW nine is SW, Dan. And eventually I figured out okay, for this one, I just need this one that I could just look at the screw and know which one it is. But then if I didn't have that initial instructions, I wouldn't be able to do. Yeah. And I think a lot of times what people say is figure out what your endgame is. And that's why people say, okay, what's your goal for the next three years? What's your goal for the next five years? What's the goal for your next six months? If you can figure out those goals and then you can then lay out all the steps.

Jonaed Iqbal 14:41
Yeah, that point,

super important. I would also tell people, it's okay to sort of change direction and Oh, yeah.

Junaid Ahmed 14:47
I that's just a part of life. It is. Yeah.

Jonaed Iqbal 14:51
I'm pretty sure the career you're in was probably not what you thought you were going to be a 15 or 18. It's just like, I wanted to be a pilot. Yeah, there's just like, life happens sometimes you're like, Okay, you know what it doesn't, I don't have the resources for this I or I'm not as interested in this or things happen in life. So I tell people yeah. But regardless, no matter what you do just focus on moving forward, because I'm pretty sure that knowledge that you learned is transferable to another area.

Junaid Ahmed 15:20
Absolutely. Absolutely. I think one of the most important things is being able to express yourself. Yeah. And like conversation wise people say, you know, oh, how do you start talking like this online? And what's funny is that the same people you could talk on the phone and they will talk about their stories because it's it's a private conversation. It you feel you you feel more open to talk about the things but as soon as you like, oh, put a camera in front of it, like none of that I don't want to share. Yeah,

Jonaed Iqbal 15:54
that's, it's tough, but I tell people look, if you're not comfortable sharing in front of a camera for a long period of time, Do it for like 30 seconds. Yeah, for a minute and then you'll see that it's not as hard. The first time for a lot of things is the hardest.

Junaid Ahmed 16:08
Yes.

So, on the podcast, you know, I like to focus on journeys and you told us your journey and how you got started you know, you you the tipping point was you know, you were going through this thread and people like how you making six figure without any degree, and then you thought of the degree calm you got that built out. And now you've got that no degree podcast coming out pretty soon, it came out, it came out the thrive episode five episodes. Yeah. And by the time this episode is out, you'll you'll have at least you know, 15 or 25 or 30 episodes out.

Jonaed Iqbal 16:45
Yeah, yeah, you're right.

Junaid Ahmed 16:47
I will, you know, and so, what are you some your book and you did talk about but what are some of your motivations for on your day to day, you know, what are you doing on a daily basis. Is to advance forward and and move forward to the next step or what's your next level

Jonaed Iqbal 17:07
for 2020? So before I answer that I just want to go back and I want to say so even though I started notably A while ago I it was it was essentially a hobby it was something I was working on the side so I had a full time job and all that but I was doing the research on the side and so I just want to be clear about that to people in the audience that it wasn't just five right? Yeah, obviously things would have been faster but look, I gotta try to save up make money support. Oh, yeah, absolutely. But now what was a quick Can you repeat the question? You said what were the daily going forward right?

Junaid Ahmed 17:40
Yeah, what are some things that you do daily and what are you doing forward going forward?

Jonaed Iqbal 17:44
So daily I you know, the thing is daily It's like my days are all over the place. Right? Some days it's like all I'm recording a pot some days I'm recording two three podcast being on podcast doing a live show. Other days. I always try to have days where I have a more open schedule recommendation. check email, do research catch up on these things. Yes. Because it's always good to have some free time because I've had instances where people haven't. They said, hey, my guests dropped out of my LinkedIn live show. Can you be a guest? And I'm like, yeah, you know what, I was supposed to do some email, but I'll do that later. So it's always good to have like, I tell people don't have every day as a super busy day where you have obligations that require other people except days, maybe 123 days a week. We do that by having other days which are more flexible, because sometimes things happen last minute or sometimes someone tells you all Hey, there's this event tonight, and it's a big event all I have extra ticket you want to come. So just make sure I'm gonna focus on the podcast and the LinkedIn live show because I'm getting a lot of positive feedback from that. And the reason I like the podcast is because like you said, creating content. I don't so I like writing LinkedIn comments I write I like writing posts answering messages, but I don't like is writing blog posts. Hmm, that's not me for some reason, like, it's I'm not bad at it. I'm not that dude. I know you yet. Yeah. Now I don't think it'll ever be me. But you know why only because it's like, for, for me to write, it's like, I want to sit down and I have my setup and I want to type and not have anything to worry about. Yeah, exactly. But the thing is I generally, and yeah, I don't enjoy that process, but I enjoy podcasts. Yeah, I enjoy speaking. I enjoy the live show. So to me, it's like, well, I'd rather do a podcast episode than a blog post. And the fact is, I can pay someone to write a blog post, I could say, Hey, here's what I'm looking for. You're a good writer, I'll pay you. You can't really pay someone to do your podcast. No, you can't pay someone to do your live show. So for me, the higher ROI activity is the podcast is a live show. And the fact is for personal branding wise, that's better for personal branding. So exactly, but I tell other people, you gotta you gotta figure out what you're good at what you like doing and then see how you can incorporate into your business because the fact is, as small businesses, entrepreneurs, you you can't do everything and it's much better to avoid burnout to focus on the things that energize you exactly the things that are not draining because you know that one issue I have is I'll have a long day and I'm not getting tired at night. Yeah, cuz I'm not doing anything that's super draining. Yeah, exactly. So right that's a that's a problem. I

Junaid Ahmed 20:28
know you've got a really good point you know, you got to do something that you absolutely love and enjoy. And when you when you talk about blogging as a an activity, that you have to sit down and write it is true, but since you're already podcasting, convert those Yeah, podcast episodes into blog posts as well. So that's something that you can look at me, I'm going to do that. I'm gonna pay someone to

Jonaed Iqbal 20:56
lie to you, dude. Even like the show notes like writing the summary. Yeah. It's like You don't want to write a summary. Can someone do it? Like that's like? Yeah, like, I have no problem talking to someone about it. But for me to like, right, it's like, Ah,

Junaid Ahmed 21:08
well, that's why I try to you know what, in the in the beginning of each episode, I'm like, I need to get a good three, four lines, because then I can grab that and use that as my podcast description. Yeah. So I like a try to do that. So that way. I save my time in the future. Yeah. You know, talking about saving time. The one thing that always makes me laugh is when Seinfeld, you know, talks about, oh, I'm saving time. I'm too busy. Like, what happens to all a save time? Do you get it at the end of the year and put together like a youth you gotta use it for something. Exactly. So this is pretty funny. Man.

Jonaed Iqbal 21:52
So question, you know what, I'll go into one of my hobbies, do it.

Junaid Ahmed 21:56
Yeah. So that was my so let me get to those but I mean, Yeah, yeah, I think we should do that. Um, so what is one hobby? So I asked question towards the end, what is one hobby that you wish you got into?

Jonaed Iqbal 22:09
So one hobby that I so programming, that's one thing that, look I understand the basics of coding. Someone can walk me through code, I understand how you have to think, right the logical steps of how can I get that but I wish I got into it just because especially now automating things, certain processes, and I know and I'm like, Oh, I wish I could program. Thankfully my business partners are pretty technical. There you go. That's something you know, like I would I enjoy it is thinking is trying to break things down. And the beauty of it is there's so many ways to code something. Oh my god. Yeah.

Junaid Ahmed 22:47
coding is our programming is one of the most creative talents in the world. And people don't look at that because to say, oh, that science like science requires creativity. Yo to coders or programmers will write the same program to get to the next point. And the reason I say that it is the most creative thing is because my brother in law, he is a, he's a, he's a programmer for the past 20 plus years. And he is a creative as well, he can draw Batman, without looking anything from his mind. Wow, he's been doing these drawings of anything and everything he could draw people, like holy smokes, dude. That's pretty awesome. It's because as a programmer, you have to think in so many different layers and levels that it's just crazy and and and I try to get into programming earlier in my life. And I was like, I can't do it because I am not a creative even though I am a designer. I can design interfaces all day because I am using analytical features and using numbers and whatnot. So even though I do a creative job, more analytical than anything

Jonaed Iqbal 24:01
else. I see. I see, you know, I tend to be a mix of the analytical and creative. So I would say one of my biggest trends is strategy. Yeah, a lot of strategy. There's a huge analytical component is really breaking things down and then just being creative. Like I have this set of data. Yeah. Now it's like, How can I be creative? How can I apply it to something that I don't have a set of data for? us some assumptions and how can I succeed in these areas? Or Exactly, yes. No, that's that's really cool. So yeah, programming has been has been really exciting for me. I took a whole bunch of classes on on how to program iOS devices and iOS and whatnot. So pretty exciting stuff.

Junaid Ahmed 24:44
What is your favorite movie or TV show?

That's

that's top if none How about a book?

Jonaed Iqbal 24:51
No, no. So I can I can answer it but I'm a big fan of the Marvel movies. I've always loved the the comic book cartoons like I still watch all the comic book cartoons. Yeah, it's just and it it's changed for me in the sense that when I was younger, you kind of look at these like, like Magneto. He's so evil and blah, blah, blah. But then as you grow up and then the writing, obviously, writing for movies is different from cartoons. cartoons are sort of meant for it. But then you start seeing and you start seeing the motivations and it's kind of like you sympathize. Yeah, an extent with like, Oh, this is why they are the way they are. And right so I really like the Marvel movies. I mean, my favorite why I like the whole. So how, and like Captain America. Those are like, one of my two favorites. They've got they've got some really dense stories. And yeah, if you actually look at their nose and his

Junaid Ahmed 25:46
get his story, right. They've built him as somebody that you are totally sympathizing. Where? Yeah, and it's like, Wow, dude, why do I have these feelings for Thanos he's doing something Something in such a way, but it was really nicely done. And yeah, it comes down to writing and how to you know, act that out. So that's cool. Yeah.

Jonaed Iqbal 26:10
So that Yeah, so that's sort of my favorite book. So I like books that teach you a lot that, but let me see I it so I have a mix. You know, I really like the the 1984. Right by George Orwell. Yeah. Because it's like it's one of those things you read. And it's such a ridiculous concept in the sense that wow, that could never happen to us. But it's like you kind of just see like, you know, Thurman's around the world. It's like, wow, it's, it's happening. And then so that's that type of book. The other book I would say is I never split the difference by Chris Voss is a book on negotiation because I think it's always super good to understand, negotiate Because people always negotiate in different aspects of life and then if you can identify like, hey, why did it go? Shane? What are you trying to pull on me? Especially like since I'm in a career related space? Yeah, a lot of people it's like, Look, if you were able to negotiate a little more, you would be in a much better position.

Junaid Ahmed 27:17
Yeah. Absolutely. And that does make someone make a lot of sense. I'll have to check out that book. Never split the difference. Yeah.

Jonaed Iqbal 27:28
All right. Number one FBI like hostage negotiator. He goes into it's got his got the stuff he's got.

Junaid Ahmed 27:39
tying into the to the last question about favorite movie, what movie would you choose if you got to play a character in it? Oh, this is good.

Jonaed Iqbal 27:51
If I got to play a character

Let me see.

Night I don't know maybe I'd love to be like the Hulk. You know, you've

been like the CGI and all that stuff.

Junaid Ahmed 28:07
And I think I should say, yeah, yeah. Good question to be like, if you got to play the protagonist, protagonist Yeah, I guess right.

Jonaed Iqbal 28:18
So I like him just because he's a very deep character I think his background a lot of people the movies that I'm going as much but it comes from like, like you know, he was abused as a child and all his stuff dangerous and very guarded even think about that. That's what I like comes from like his dad used to abuse him. Yeah, he had that thing and it just kind of, and even then it's just like, he has this uncontrollable rage and you're like a symbolism of just like that. You hold it in and yeah, just it's it's very deep. So I like those type of I'm always angry, right.

Junaid Ahmed 28:59
So right into that, who's your favorite superhero?

Jonaed Iqbal 29:05
not have to be the Hulk because he's super, but I love Captain America. Yeah, he is, you know, the a true American in terms of ideals in terms of how he thinks and, you know, sometimes you think and it's like, what would Captain America be? Like, you know, like that guy is always making the right decision. It's right. It's it's the marvels version of Superman.

Junaid Ahmed 29:28
Yeah, but without Yeah. Without the flying cars, or

Jonaed Iqbal 29:33
Yeah, yeah. I just feel like Yeah, no, it's it's right. But I feel like, Yeah, no, you're right. I think I will say Marvel. But you know, he doesn't have the same power. No, no, he doesn't I but like, as a character as being? Yeah, the morals. Yeah. So I liked him. And one interesting thing is when Chris Evans was chosen to be Captain America, he knew he should have been Captain America because at first he was like, I don't know if I'm right for the character because I know this. Characters this idea and you know, like a true Captain America would think like,

Junaid Ahmed 30:03
exactly. Yeah, it was like boom. No. He played really good. Fantastic for. Yeah. The Human Torch to Yeah. That's where you that's where we remember him from. Yeah. All right. If you are a board game yeah. Would it be

Jonaed Iqbal 30:22
a board game?

Let me see if monopoly is like what I what I play but let me see you know what I think you whatever the battleship, right because that's a board game version right I think I'd be that just because you're thinking you're strategizing and there are better ways and you don't have all the data but yeah, I can choose and you slowly figure out so I think I'd be like the battleship.

Junaid Ahmed 30:48
Nice. One thing that I've been wanting to do is I've got so many guests that have answered the same question. Yeah. I'm going to build up as a little you know spreadsheet. Yeah or kind of like like like the most Yeah. The most other monopoly PL these are you know Batman people these are Superman. Yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah. Alright, last question Where can my audience find you?

Jonaed Iqbal 31:21
I'm pretty accessible on LinkedIn so if you search if you search up j o and add you'll find me I'm the only one with my phone there a couple of people will just phones with my settling is a lot of me and I So mine is straight LinkedIn comm slash i n slash tonight stria so I have that URL. By the time this episode come out, July com is going to be finished. Nice. That's my speaking page. But yeah, the no degree calm the no degree podcast and I'm yeah, pretty responsive on LinkedIn and nice. I'll have conversations message just you know, just be respectful. A lot of people what ends up happening is they actually For a lot, and it's like look, as much as I would like to talk to each one for an hour, it's either, but like I said, I will point people in the right direction I'll say, Hey, you know what you're looking for this listen to this episode of my podcast listen to this, because a lot of the episodes, I'm going to have focus around career advice like how to start a job on the right foot. My third episode is how to prepare for an interview just because a lot of people asked me that so I turned into a podcast That's awesome.

Junaid Ahmed 32:27
And I think so, I had a conversation earlier about you know, what I think it was loyalists met who said You know, when when people are asking for your free hour You know, how how do you deal with that and that was like, you know, if you are creating content as a content creator, you can point them to a direction and you're doing exactly that in like, Oh, I need help with you know how to blah blah, blah, like oh, listen to this episode. You got this content creator it you can totally point and Have a reference point. And it's pretty cool. Cool, man. Well, this was awesome talking with you. And I will definitely stay connected this this was really fun.

Jonaed Iqbal 33:12
Yeah. And then I'll have you on my podcast.

Junaid Ahmed 33:14
Yeah, because I got no degrees either.

Jonaed Iqbal 33:17
Cool, my favorite type of person.

Junaid Ahmed 33:20
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